Sunday, September 13, 2015

Debate

I've been wondering if I need to go get my hormonal levels checked or something (I do have that in the works.) I've been wondering if I should go ahead and reschedule for December with the pain clinic. Really bummed about that but the happier I am the busier I am and the more active I am and the more that flares fibromyalgia. Really, really, bummed about that one. But then I remembered. Debating! The old me, like really far far back, liked to debate!

 My favorite debater was a boy named Nick. (Why am I friends on FB with his younger brothers but not him?) I think we all called him Nicky until he got older, that's how long I knew him. He lived about 20 minutes away but we went to church together so we saw each other AT LEAST twice a week for Primary activities and Sunday School. All the way through high school.

 Now Nick and I were never more than friends but we would debate (pretend argue) over EVERYTHING. Why? I don't know but we sure had fun doing it. Drove our leaders crazy. No one ever won or lost because we really didn't care about the subject. You know how that goes? Maybe you don't have siblings or something but that's how Nick and I were.

 It may have been late middle school or so another boy moved into the area. His name was Ryan and if I recall correctly he liked to debate with us, too. Again, never any romantic intentions (we weren't picking on/arguing with each other because we had crushes...or at least I sure didn't!), just fun. FYI: When I was pregnant with my first boy I really considered naming him Ryan Nicholas. Sounds good, doesn't it?

 Anyway, I went off to college, got married, had a family, and I guess I got so caught up with life that I dropped that debating "skill". Then all I ever wanted was peace and quiet.

 But now...oh man! Is it hormones? Is it being released from chronic pain because of the treatment? Or is it because the chronic pain is returning? I don't know but my arguing, I mean debating, skills are back in full force!

 You know my BF (best friend) who unfriended me on FB (Facebook)? She and I still email so no worries, blog friends. (Hmm, guess I can't call you BFs since that one is already taken.) She did that because I was getting too political and too "debatish?" for her tastes. Well, today she sent me an email and said she had time to catch up on my blog. Her only description...Interesting. I kinda think that is another 4 letter word like FINE. That means nothing to me. But OK. We'll talk about other things that make us both happy. Being happy is better than debating...especially if it keeps you your BF. 

 I've learned to tone it down with my hubby, my BFF. We are totally on the same page about most things anyway. But whoa Nelly! Now I'm getting into it with my brother! On FB! Getting into what, Lisa? Debating. That's what I'll call it. It almost always start with politics and then I move it into religion. The two are so intertwined to me. Almost everything intertwines with religion to me nowadays. I like it. If you don't, you'd better stop reading now. Because I figured I'd share some more of FB debates. (Remember, that is how I do a lot of my socializing since I'm kinda limited as to things physicality wise.)

 My point is this...I don't mean to argue. I REALLY do mean to debate...at least Ryan Nicholas style. Hopefully that makes sense to everyone.
Kirsten Vacin Schwendiman
September 8 at 7:52am
Something to be proud of? 😐
In Denver, there were 204 medical marijuana dispensaries as of October 2012. That's roughly three times the number of Starbucks and McDonald's combined, reported CBS "60 Minutes."
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  • Lisa Peart That's playing with numbers, don't you think? 204 = 3 times the total number of Starbucks and McDonalds...all throughout Denver? Maybe. I don't live in Denver and it's no Austin. Whatever. Government needs to butt out of businesses and the health industry...especially since they don't know me or my doctors and their recommendations, so I say be proud...for the moment.
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  • Tammera Ellis Alexander I respectfully completely disagree, Lisa Peart. Unless you live in Denver metro area you have NO idea what's going on. Do you really think the government is not involved with the pot industry?? They are completely involved. When you can't drive down I-70 without smelling marijuana it's just excessive. Ppl are smoking it while they drive & when they use those Vaps things police can't tell by looking at them if they are smoking tobacco or pot. Yes, it's like alcohol. Has anyone thought about the number of pregnancies & infants & toddlers that will be effected by mom's smoking pot? In the past if a mom came in & was suspected to have smoked pot, you could do a drug test & authorities could get involved if positive. Now a woman can come in high as he** & nothing can be done. Have you researched how marijuana effects the developing fetus? Probably not. What about ppl who are in recovery? They don't have a right to live in a clear, clean environment? You may say, "they are exposed to alcohol" & if you lived here you'd understand it's totally not the same. You can for the most part avoid alcohol by where you go; however, you can't with pot. You live in a good neighborhood? Go to your backyard with your kid to play, your neighbors outside in their yard smoking pot. Trust you smell it. You walk in parking lot to go to Target, someone is sitting on bench smoking weed. You live in an apartment or a condo, guess what? The smell comes thru your vents. It's ridiculous!!! I'm not even taking the time to explain what the pot industry has done to our housing market. Kirsten Vacin Schwendiman is right~~ we should be ashamed. We let the tiger out of the bag (for money) without thinking it thru. We needed to have laws & rules & ways to test & enforce them BEFORE legalizing pot. But instead we have our head in the tigers mouth & now realize we really don't know how to tame the tiger.
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    • Lisa Peart Coming from someone who would love to have legal marijuana for medical reasons, I see your point. I really do. I don't want to smoke it because who knows what it does to your lungs? But I would appreciate it in brownies or I'd even chew it plain. It's ...See More
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  • Kevin J. Farese Weed is nothing like ALCOHOL. Been smoking for over 40 years now,and I rather be high on pot than drunk on alcohol. Where have you heard of somebody smoking pot driving down the wrong side of the highway and hitting somebody head on and killing them but the driver that was high on pot survived? NEVER. However,I can appreciate someone that does not smoke it should not have to put up with it in their surroundings all the time just like cigarette smoke.
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  • Tammera Ellis Alexander Kevin Farese, alcohol & marijuana are a like and different. I appreciate you understanding those who don't smoke shouldn't have to smell it. Here's an article about car accidents & marijuana use. Also there have been ppl who got high & did something ri...See More
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  • Lisa Peart That's my point, though, Tammera Ellis Alexander. People intent on being high will find ways to do it. Drugs, alcohol, paint, herbs, prescriptions, gases, whatever they can find or try. These kinds of people don't care about themselves, or you, or laws, or even their own kids. People will self destruct because they have that choice. It's sad and a shame but it's reality. I'd rather them walk out their own windows then have them break into my house to steal. I'd rather them be locked up. But the people who make and follow rules/laws are not the people who should be punished. How about the govt interpret correctly the laws already on the books? How about they go about enforcing them correctly? Politics, police, religion, family...nothing matters to addicts except themselves. Get away if you can. Help if you can. Love them. But stop making more rules for the rest of us. The poor cops can never keep up.
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  • Tammera Ellis Alexander Lisa Peart, I'm sincerely sorry that medically you need something like marijuana. I think that IF society actually wanted to make it medically safe & effective for ppl to utilize marijuana for actual medical conditions I would totally be okay with that. Unfortunately, Colorado should not be looked at as a how to do it. Look at it as how NOT to do it. 'Drs' popped up all over & saw (solely) ppl who were seeking medical marijuana. They wrote scripts for ppl who had sprained their back, or who had depression or bipolar, or who irritable bowel syndrome. It really became a joke. You'd make an appt with a "Pot Dr" pay $250 for visit & another amount for registration. Remember insurance doesn't cover this. Then ppl go regularly to keep scripts active. As far as it being a herb...that would have been 'old school weed'. This is NOT the pot I smoked in high school or ppl smoked in the 70's or 60's. This is THC on steroids. It has been manipulated, crossbred, and chemically/genetically altered. Please don't mistake it as natural. Cocca leaves are a plant; however, I don't think it'd be helpful for ppl to chew as a diet aid (plant we get cocaine from). Also those beautiful poppies make all of the world's heroin. I support a person's right to choose marijuana; I would just like the medical community & government to do the right thing~ actually provide a safe, well regulated & monitored marijuana for use by patients truly need it. But hey, we give methadone to heroin addicts. We need to acknowledge, address, and solve these issues before we all make it legal.
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  • Tammera Ellis Alexander Ppl are still breaking into homes & self destructing even though we thought we could get rid of heroin related crimes by prescribing methadone. Oxycotin was given liberally for pain & now it's cheaper for ppl to by heroin. I agree ppl are going to self destruct with what ever they want. I don't care to make it easier on them, especially if it puts my rights at risk. I guess we'll just have to respectfully disagree. There isn't an easy answer, but there is right & wrong.
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  • Kirsten Vacin Schwendiman Sorry friends, I didn't mean to start anything by posting that this morning. Just really hard to see what's happening here.
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  • Tammera Ellis Alexander Kirsten Vacin Schwendiman I hold no ill thoughts about this discussion or your friends. I hope they don't either. I think its great to have conversations like this. We need to share info so we can not make the same mistakes moving forward. Thank you Lisa for having a civil exchange. I hope I didn't offend you or you Kirsten. 
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    September 11 at 7:11am
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Let me just insert here that Bri messaged me and was not at all offended by my comments, more her "friendly neighbor". And just FYI: here is what turned up on my wall when I posted that exact same thing:
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September 11 at 1:01pm
Sorry, I don't agree. On today of all day's that's like saying, "Claiming that some other religion's victory is against your religion is like being angry at someone for smashing planes into your buildings because your people, whatever their religion, were at work." Victory is subject. Marriage is not. Read the Bible.
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Thanks, Steve Hamm. This is why I've been so heavy handed with my fb posts, etc. Put up or shut people.
Dan Solove
Note: This system of government was not designed to be just or wise. It was not designed to always get it right. It was not designed to do the smartest thing or the modern thing. It was designed to put the governed in the driver's seat. It protects your right to vote. It is designed to preserve the mechanisms for creating an informed public. It was designed to encourage debate/discussion so that we could convince our fellows that our position is the best one and to impact their voting accordingly. The body that is the public is placed in a position to grab the reins.
If the body that is the public wishes to use that power for stupidity or for justice, so be it. It is within the power of the governed to do that. That is the purpose of the design. Politicians are placed in a position to obey, but only if we make them. If you don't get informed and you don't get involved, then those office holders have no reason do give a damn what your will is. Their job is to obey the people who exert their will through voting so that they can gain and stay in office. For them, career success hinges on obeying the people who bother to get informed and vote. Your job is to use your free speech to convince others of the correctness or superiority of your ideas and also to convince them to exert their will through participation. If only 10% of the people vote, then the people seeking election will obey the majority of those 10%. That would mean that 5%+1 of voters wins.
A few sentences ago I said this: "Their job is to obey the people who exert their will through voting so that they can gain and stay in office. For them, career success hinges on obeying the people who bother to get informed and vote." Guess what! That is exactly what they are doing and have been doing. Stop blaming them for the state of things and the calculating that they have done in order to continue to get elected. It worked. That's why they are in office.
Want change? Grab the damn reins. Things like our foreign policy and the USA Patriot Act really bring this into focus for me. I hate American foreign policy. I particularly hate it post 9-11. I think that is was 9-12 when I first started cringing every time some jackass within ear shot said "9-11 changed everything!" No, it didn't. 9-11 killed lot of people and destroyed some buildings. Our stupid, overly machismo driven, scared reaction is what changed everything. The fact is the will of the people is why we continue to have this foreign policy. You can blame Bush. You can blame Obama. You can call them both blood thirsty for all of the bombing going on over there. You can call Obama just as bad a Bush for not repealing the Patriot Act. Guess what! Obama was elected president, not dictator. He couldn't repeal the Patriot Act if he wanted to. It's the law. He has to obey it until such time as it isn't the law and he is not a legislator let alone a one man legislative majority.
Do you know when the Patriot Act will go away, if ever? When enough people make an election issue out of it that there are a sufficient number of house districts and senate seats that cannot be won without the person seeking that office committing to repealing that stupid scared reaction which is currently compounding the damage that 9-11 did to our nation. That there are a lot of people who would disagree with my assessment of our post 9-11 reaction and the stupidity of the "9-11 changed everything!" mentality only serves to prove my point regarding the function of our system of government and who is responsible for what it does. Between 9-11 and now, those people who disagree with me have had more say at the voting box than people who agree with me have. I think the attitude is beginning to change and maybe we'll be able to set it right again, but when we do, it will be because the majority of involved, voting Americans have willed it to be so.
Want a president who doesn't have such a bloody, unjust foreign policy? Guess when it will happen. I'll give you a hint: If a president decides by himself to stop with all of the violence and the public disagrees, that president will not get re-elected (may even get impeached) and will be replaced with one who will do what the public wants and keep the vile and vicious foreign policy going the way that it has been.
Stop blaming the politicians. Stop blaming the parties. Stop blaming anything but the nonvoters and start trying to influence opinions among voters. The system is working as it is supposed to. We are in the driver's seat. Our steering needs to improve.
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  • Lisa Peart Sorry, Dan Solove. Doesn't mean I agree with your politics or way of thinking. I just posted this recently in someone else's back & forth:

    Force will never change anyone's mind or opinion. We all know that. People need jobs to work & earn a living. I     think we can agree on both of those things. So what do you do when you've been working at a job for years & suddenly the job description changes just the slightest bit? You have no say in it & for whatever reason you no longer feel comfortable. It's just that one tiny rule/law change that bothers you, though. Should you be forced to resign immediately? Fired? Forced to participate in something you don't want to? Or better yet, how about getting the media involved so you get sent to jail? Just because other people said you had to do it. If that isn't force I don't know what is! But let's say you are in politics. Let's say Hillary Clinton. You know the rules, life no private server, but you think you can do it anyway for whatever reason. You aren't forced to apologize for getting caught. You lie about it & try to cover it up. You blame yourself (I didn't know better), you blame your daughter (Chelsea wiped it clean because she had post partum depression & didn't want me to get in trouble), and then told all her employees to lie & delete their emails from her. Why isn't she asked to resign? Why isn't she asked to go to jail or quit her job? Why isn't she FORCED? She is a government employee. "I don't care her religion...just telling her she had to do her job. If a gay person (religious person, black, white, old, young, male, or female person) was holding a job position,they would be expected to do their job and follow the law as well." I couldn't agree with you more!
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  • Dan Solove · Friends with Steve Hamm
    Kim Davis took an oath to uphold the law upon taking her job. She was aware that the law could change and the oath would remain regardless. She is not refusing to put mayonnaise on a sandwich because she thinks its gross. She is refusing to uphold t...See More
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  • Lisa Peart "I agree, Marv Shump. Then we can jail Hillary. Maybe she can be in the same cell as the woman clerk who wouldn't sign papers. Or terrorists. Or drug dealers. Or a cop who was too forceful. Nice!" This is my response just now to this article. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/.../allen-mcconnell-toledo... Pretty soon everyone in America will be in jail...or eligible...because laws change all the time. See you in the slammer, Dan Solove.
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      No, when laws change we are free to comply with them. We only go to jail if we choose not to obey the law. Nobody who isn't voluntarily in a government position in the clerks office has any need to comply with this law. She took the job voluntarily, she swore the oath voluntarily, and she chooses to stay in the position without following the law voluntarily. Why have any laws if we aren't compelled to obey them?
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    • Lisa Peart Amen! Too many laws. Government can butt out. This couple wasn't happy with a civil union, they were insisting on marriage. Sorry, y'all. Marriage should only be between consulting adults...men and women who understand science, that males are males, females are females, and that the two are separate and unique. If people can't understand that they need more than a Bible to help them.
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    • Dan Solove · Friends with Steve Hamm
      That's not what I said. And it you want fewer laws we can start with getting out of the way on defining what marriage is for everyone who doesn't have your point of view. Or is government only supposed to get out of the way when you aren't wielding it...See More
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    • Lisa Peart I'm fine with government getting out of the marriage business all together these days. Before it was an incentive for men and women to stay together. To give them tax breaks for having and supporting a family. When the family has been so completely red...See More
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    • Dan Solove · Friends with Steve Hamm
      Before this "redefinition", I knew and still do know a few couples that are not able to have children and a lot of women that remarried after menopause. They can't have kids and raise a family. Should their marriages have been void? What about if a ...See More
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    • Lisa Peart Being Happy is Better Than Being Smart. That's the name of my blog if you want to see why I've become so gung ho into politics lately. I'm no great debater, no great scholar, but I'm just having fun with the political process for the first time in my l...See More
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    • Lisa Peart I don't know about that, those are mighty big words that I don't quite understand. But I do understand these ones. Wouldn't you agree with these, Steve Hamm? "Where is the call for President Obama to resign for ignoring and defying our immigration laws, our welfare reform laws, and even his own Obamacare?"
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    • Steve Hamm Two wrongs don't make a right. She is free to practice her religion as she sees fit, that's not the issue. She's isn't free to deny others their rights, especially since she's in a position of power. In my opinion, this isn't about religion or freedom,...See More
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  • Lisa Peart I'll agree, two wrongs don't make a right. I personally think she is awesome! I abhor our president & modern philosophical views. It's time for the little guy (or girl) to stand up to power hungry leaders that don't follow the very rules they create. B...See More
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  • Lisa Peart And while I'm at it, Steve Hamm. Dan can jump in here, too, why aren't y'all jumping all over the black lesbian JUDGE who refuses to marry heterosexuals? Not her clerk...the judge...sworn to protect & uphold the law. Why isn't she in jail? Who gets to ...See More
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  • Steve Hamm I don't care if our politicians believe in God, The Easter Bunny, are Atheist or Muslim, as long as they keep their personal belief system out of policy and let other people have the same rights and privileges as everyone else, it matters not to me. When God rules your country, it gets dangerous real quick. Everyone has different rules for their God.
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  • Lisa Peart So who should rule? Those with money? Those born to a ruler? Atheists? Too bad our country isn't ruled by a real vote instead of states getting votes. Who is ever really ruled by the voice of the people? That's not how my house is ruled & I know yours isn't either. My house my rules. Whose earth are you living on? And don't tell me you don't know. I don't care what you call yourself now but you are too smart to know it didn't come from a big bang. Or maybe you are too prideful to admit it nowadays. I'm not smart, I'm not all pc, I'm not all health conscious, but I'm no dummy, either. And neither are you. Our momma didn't raise fools and neither did our daddy. We'll all go out of this world with the same things. Intelligence that we earn and gain and blessings for obedience. Don't screw it up.

  • I guess what I need to point out here is that I am not intending to throw anyone under the bus. I figure if you post it on FB it's fine to post it with the world. That's why I don't copy/share everything my BF tells me in her emails. But that's also why I'm not responding to my BF's email right now. I'm too much in a debating mood over right or wrong. 

  • Maybe it's because it's the Sabbath, my beautiful day of peace and rest, so I have time to really think and ponder on holy subjects. Like my family and their eternal salvation. Like our country and our future. But most of all I am more concerned about my own. I'm not gay bashing, I'm not being racist, I'm not religion bashing, I AM political bashing and I'm fine saying that. I'm not trying to start a Civil War within my own family. Or with the world.

  • I'm just standing for truth and righteousness. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint style according to me. I'm not speaking for every/any one else. Just me. And if I'm wrong...well...BHiBTBS. (Being Happy is Better Than Being Smart.)


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